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Subject: Re: The Dark Knight release chart
From: Hermes <hermes@exactphilosophy.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:00:24 CST
Newsgroups: alt.astrology.tropical
There is one more thing that I think I should mention, which I
only noticed yesterday evening...
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/hermes.htm
Talking about the tensions and dangers since about 10 July...
And how it relates to a text that I wrote when that asteroid
was approaching the same sign in autumn 2001...
And how it relates to my post of 7 July (still conclusive)...
No good times for closed mental systems in this age, I guess...
Best wishes to everybody...
)o+
I wrote:
: Thanks! :)
:
: To be fair I should probably mention that transiting Sedna is
: now on my natal true north lunar node, which might explain why
: I feel from personal experience (before and after discovery of
: Sedna) that discoveries of new objects "change the game".
:
: Sedna has no fingers, cannot influence the material world in
: any direct way, accordingly this is also a good moment to let
: all my public things be, which are almost all quite obviously
: way too early for "prime time"...*
:
: Sorry if I do not reply in detail to the points below; let me
: maybe just note that Switzerland had been known for centuries
: after its founding to provide the most feared mercenaries to
: various principalities all over Europe; more moderate approaches
: like armed neutrality, diplomacy, the red cross, came only
: several centuries later. Switzerland originally (August 1291)
: also has the n.node in Leo, like the USA (and Spain, Hegira).
:
: )o+
:
: --
: * Reply by sabian.org/oracle.htm (the one with the Mucha) to
: what would be if I simply left my web site as it is for good:
:
: Scorpio 16 A girl's face turning into a smile. Keyword: Acquiescence
:
: Reply to converse question (upload very moderated changes of
: this summer to my site, archiving current site?):
:
: Aquarius 14 A train entering a tunnel. Keyword: Courtesy
:
: Easy choice for me, or maybe in "matrix" language, helped me
: to understand the decision that I had already made...
:
: Rozmarne leto...
:
:
: In article <fftia4598j8cicqsk5htuflk1a0m8mfv3d@4ax.com>,
: [anonymized] wrote:
:
: > Inclusion of entire post for posterity, although my response is
: > limited, below:
: >
: >
: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:22:33 CST, Hermes
: > <hermes@exactphilosophy.net> wrote:
: >
: > >[note crosspost]
: > >
: > >Petrus wrote:
: > >
: > >: > Something else: Interesting that you link fascism to the Age of
: > >: > Aquarius. So far I had assumed that I was the only one who had
: > >:
: > >: Fascism is a manifestation of the two planets (Uranus and Saturn) both
: > >: combining to produce a particular form of political government. In the case
: > >: of fascism, it is the Saturnine half of the two which is more immediately
: > >: visible, with Uranus manifesting as technology used to support it, and in
: > >: the case of Communism, Uranus is the more visible of the two, with Saturnine
: > >: totalitarianism underlying it.
: > >:
: > >: A political system which integrates these two in a positive sense would need
: > >: to be very different. I believe here that the writing/perspective of
: > >: Terrence McKenna is relevant, and this is also what such individuals as the
: > >: authors of the play "Hair" were referring to.
: > >:
: > >: It would be a society which both integrated technology, (Uranus) but which
: > >: was also very deeply based on indigenous/shamanic principles. (positive
: > >: Saturn) Use of entheogens (Uranus) would be not only completely mainstream,
: > >: but would also be one of the foundational pillars of the system. These
: > >: substances would be used not only for contact with extraterrestrials
: > >: (Uranus) but also for developmental experiences as well. There would be a
: > >: very specific set of guidelines and customs (Saturn) regarding their use, in
: > >: order to prevent abuse.
: > >:
: > >: Decentralisation would be another fundamental principle. Food would be
: > >: grown and produced literally on an individual basis, or by parents for their
: > >: children in the case of families. Individual self-responsibility (Saturn)
: > >: would be recognised and would be regarded very highly. Water would become
: > >: the fuel source in the same way that oil (Neptune) had been in Pisces, and
: > >: various outgrowths from hydrogen based technology would be used to
: > >: effectively repair the planet's environment and return it to a more original
: > >: state. (Saturn)
: > >:
: > >: I'm not talking about perfection here. Even at its' most positive
: > >: manifestation, Aquarius, like any other sign, is not perfect. Of all the
: > >: signs, it is also by far the most strongly rejected. I have often thought
: > >: that it would be better, far better, for the majority of my fellow man if we
: > >: were able to simply have another 2,000 years of Pisces, and bypass Aquarius
: > >: altogether. Most of humanity will not learn Aquarius' lessons willingly;
: > >: Uranus is instinctively, very greatly feared...and truthfully, rightly so.
: > >:
: > >: The single main reason why we need to adhere to the positive integration of
: > >: Saturn/Uranus in sociopolitical terms, however, is because if we don't, the
: > >: simple alternative is our extinction as a species. There's only two places
: > >: you can go from Saturn in particular. Past him, or to death; and you don't
: > >: go past him until he is entirely satisfied that you've earned it; that
: > >: usually means that you very nearly end up dying anyway.
: > >:
: > >: > 1) Download http://www.exactphilosophy.net/odyssey.zip
: > >: > 2) Unzip odyssey.zip and then open the file discoveries.pdf
: > >: > 3) See section 3.14 The Age of Aquarius on page 16-18.
: > >:
: > >: I did so. Very interesting; particularly your perspective on the Aqu/Leo
: > >: relationship and how that manifested in Hitler's Aryan ideas.
: > >
: > >Thanks a lot for the reply. In my feeling and thinking, your descriptions
: > >give a quite accurate overall picture. I would like to throw in a few
: > >thoughts and methods that I developed over the years and use them to look
: > >a bit more into details at certain spots, but without trying or even
: > >claiming to be complete or accurate. Just as an opportunity to eventually
: > >apply these tools for a comprehensive view, like you presented above.
: > >
: > >In a way, these tools are my "musician's repertoire":
: > >
: > >* Uranus has just moved into Pisces after its 7-year sojourn in Aquarius,
: > >* and this suggests an emphasis on the creative imagination and on the
: > >* invisible dimensions of life. The last time Uranus went into Pisces,
: > >* the jazz era was born and some of the greatest literature in the world
: > >* was published in just seven short years.
: > >
: > >-- Liz Greene in 2003 [1]
: > >
: > >Also my public contributions, because they are mostly fragments in
: > >usenet and even more fragments because I almost always removed my
: > >own posts and only other people's replies and quotations remained,
: > >my public contributions are a bit kafkaesque. Kafka is certainly
: > >one of the writers that Liz Greene is alluding to, if not the best
: > >single example, maybe. Or maybe not.
: > >
: > >In that sense, this present text will be an exception, rather a
: > >Jazz Album than a Jazz Concert, a more constructed than improvised
: > >public contribution, but still written within a relatively short
: > >amount of time and not crosschecked in all details. Also, I added
: > >some quotes, something that I usually also do not do much.
: > >
: > >But let me start...
: > >
: > >Currently Chiron is at 18*16' Aquarius, conjunct the true northern
: > >lunar node at 18*35' Aquarius. Chiron is retrograde and moving at
: > >about the same speed as the nodes, so this is quite a long lasting
: > >phenomenon with a close conjunction between about May and October
: > >2008 [2], which by the way gives this maybe also a "venusy" touch.
: > >
: > >* These mysterious points are often associated with "fate" because they
: > >* represent the intersection points of the Sun's and Moon's orbits:
: > >* a combination of "destiny" (the Sun) and "embodiment" (the Moon).
: > >
: > >-- Liz Greene about the lunar nodes [1]
: > >
: > >* H32 The moon nodes are gates (a). They release energy of
: > >* the signs they are in (b) and of planets in aspect (c).
: > >* People instinctively tend to do more along the sign of
: > >* the southern node (d), while consciously trying to do
: > >* more along the sign of the northern node tends to make
: > >* more happy (e).
: > >*
: > >* H32bc are direct consequences of H32a. The moon moves
: > >* below the solar path at the southern node and above it
: > >* at the northern node, corresponding to entry into and
: > >* exit from the unconscious (H32de).
: > >
: > >-- me in [3]
: > >
: > >* The nodes are mysterious, almost anything can
: > >* be associated with them. They symbolize the flow
: > >* between any opposites, like on a Moebius tape,
: > >* in the number 8 or in infinity. Or yin/yang.
: > >*
: > >* Woman: Do you think if I reincarnate that I might
: > >* come back as a cow in my next life?
: > >* Man: No, one does not come back as something that
: > >* one has been before.
: > >*
: > >* There is a deep truth hidden in that joke: A cow
: > >* eats grass and "produces" dung. Dung is very
: > >* fertile, but one cannot directly grow a cow from
: > >* dung, only indirectly by growing grass that can
: > >* then again feed young cows. That is why what can
: > >* grow from the southern node (anus) cannot be like
: > >* its sign or house, but must be more like the sign
: > >* and house of the northern node.
: > >
: > >-- me in [4]
: > >
: > >So much about the nodes.
: > >
: > >What about Chiron?
: > >
: > >The orbit of Chiron is between the orbits of Saturn and the one of Uranus,
: > >roughly touching both of them. Thus usually Chiron is also considered to
: > >be a mediator of some sort between these two or also between individuals
: > >and the collective, because the new planets Uranus and up are considered
: > >often to be responsible for collective things, arguing also that this is
: > >related to them not being visible to the naked eye.
: > >
: > >From a slightly different perspective, one could also say that Chiron is
: > >a mediator between modernity and the past, between Age of Aquarius and
: > >Age of Pisces. Let me explore this path a bit more.
: > >
: > >Traditionally, Saturn ruled both Capricorn and Aquarius. Only after the
: > >discovery of Uranus in 1781, has Aquarius gotten a new ruler, Uranus,
: > >sometimes (or maybe more often) as co-ruler with Saturn. But implicitly
: > >more things changed: Traditionally, there is not really a full identity
: > >between ruling planet and sign and house. Sun and Leo and 5th house are
: > >traditionally not identical, whereas many modern astrologers are more or
: > >less obviously identifying them as a trinity.
: > >
: > >It is interesting to view the new planets as children of the Age of
: > >Aquarius, as different facets of Aquarius and of his sometimes quite
: > >exaggerated drive to change/progress things, which has effectively
: > >resulted in more aquarian planets than ever before...
: > >
: > >But maybe back to Chiron as a first example:
: > >
: > >* No sooner had [Thetis] entered the cave and fallen asleep than Peleus seized
: > >* hold of her. The struggle was silent and fierce. Thetis turned successively
: > >* into fire, water, a lion, and a serpent; but Peleus had been warned what to
: > >* expect, and clung to her resolutely, even when she became an enormous slippery
: > >* cuttle-fish and squirted ink at him [...]. Though burned, drenched, mauled,
: > >* stung, and covered with sticky sepia ink, Peleus would not let her go and,
: > >* in the end, she yielded and they lay locked in a passionate embrace.
: > >
: > >-- Robert Graves in [5]
: > >
: > >Interesting, by the way, also that this paragraph comes just before the
: > >ones in which Eris tosses her golden apple...
: > >
: > >Peleus is, according to Robert Graves, sometimes also considered a centaur,
: > >half man, half horse. And it was Cheiron who counseled Peleus how to get
: > >together with Thetis (Cheiron seems to be prominent in many charts of love
: > >encounters, see e.g. a seminar by Liz Greene in 2006 or so).
: > >
: > >There is a horse in the sky, Pegasus, in the vicinity of Aquarius. Thus
: > >it becomes maybe also somewhat understandable why Neptune is also in
: > >some ways an aspect of Aquarius. It was Poseideon (Neptune) who first
: > >installed horse races in mythology. The fashion/vogue aspect of Aquarius,
: > >that comes together with his strive for progress, fits with that.
: > >
: > >Interlude about natural resources: Uranus is the steam engine, in which
: > >you burn (Element Fire) wood or coal (Earth) to generate motion. The
: > >central element is Water (Aquarius, Water Bearer) and it evaporates,
: > >becomes Air. In that sense, Aquarius is using, controlling the elements
: > >to achieve his goals. Wood and coal is destroyed. Wood could grow back
: > >from the ashes, but coal is old wood, so burning it is something that
: > >can only be done for a limited amount of time.
: > >
: > >Neptune is oil, for example. More energy and also base material for the
: > >chemical industry. There is certainly also a piscean side to Neptune,
: > >no doubt about that, but it should be noted that during most of the
: > >Age of Pisces, nobody cared much about that dark, stinking fluid that
: > >comes out of the ground in some places (with minor exceptions, like
: > >the use of natural asphalt). And nobody dug it up. Burning oil or gas,
: > >is also a one way street of limited supply, like with coal above.
: > >
: > >Pluto is nuclear reactions. Supply for nuclear fission (Uranium etc.)
: > >is also quite limited - like oil and gas it will not last for a whole
: > >2000 years of an Age of Aquarius. Nuclear fusion, when it gets possible
: > >will likely be possible for a longer time (and be much cleaner than
: > >fission), unless of course, demands increases too much again.
: > >
: > >Interesting that generation of electricity from all these sources
: > >usually involves the principle of the steam engine: Heat is generated
: > >and used to evaporate water which then operates a turbine and
: > >induces an electrical current - so very much Uranus stuff again.
: > >
: > >There is another long lasting reservoir, namely the heat stored in
: > >the core of the earth. I think it was at the beginning of last year
: > >or so that a company in Basel (Switzerland) started pumping water
: > >into the ground and trying to use the steam that comes up in order
: > >to generate power (experimentally). Now Basel is somewhat of an
: > >earth quake region and hosts lots of chemical industry, so Neptune
: > >territory. The evaporating water apparently induced a minor
: > >earthquake, no damage to anything, but still more than usual, so
: > >the company had to stop. But maybe in some more remote place, it
: > >would be a useful possibility to generate energy that way.
: > >
: > >But the whole thing seems more like Neptune in Aquarius to me than
: > >Chiron in Aquarius. Like in the piece of mythology above, Chiron does
: > >though control nature, keeps it within some boundaries, but he does
: > >not waste things without any limits.
: > >
: > >The new planets are to me a bit like a guy who has a table with four
: > >feet that are of different lengths so that the table is rocking. Then
: > >he cuts off (or adds) a piece from one leg, or adds another leg. But
: > >he does too much or too little of it and so the table is not stable.
: > >Thus he tries again and again. Uranus was supposed to bring progress,
: > >but then Neptune was needed, to maybe balance consciousness and the
: > >(collective) unconscious. Then Neptune went maybe too far and Pluto
: > >brought maybe some more depth and doing only what is necessary and
: > >when that did not do, Cheiron was needed, etc.
: > >
: > >Pluto is the name of the Greek god of the underworld, who had many
: > >names, in Roman one of them was also Februs, the god that gave his
: > >name to the month February. Unlike Janus/January/Capricorn, who has
: > >two faces that look away from each other, Februs is quite a bit more
: > >limited in a way, forcing one single view. Sometimes that is good,
: > >but sometimes this just means to make things unconscious like in
: > >mythology where Uranus banned what he did not want to see to the
: > >underworld, only to have them come back during revolutions.
: > >
: > >The idea of a collective unconscious, of a clear line between what
: > >is conscious and what is not, is a child of the period after the
: > >discovery of Neptune and before the one Pluto, it is aquarian,
: > >I would say.
: > >
: > >Pluto was at its discovery first thought to be as big as the Earth.
: > >But gradually its size was revealed to be smaller, and after many
: > >more objects of similar or even somewhat bigger size (Eris) were
: > >discovered, it became no longer tenable from a scientific point of view to
: > >consider Pluto a planet. That way (Chiron was already in Aquarius)
: > >Aquarius started to heal himself somewhat. Science with its by
: > >definition uniform and only true view of the world (very aquarian)
: > >dictated (controlled) the emotional forces of many scientists and
: > >many laymen and degraded Pluto to no longer being a planet.
: > >
: > >Like Thetis in the myth above, people have and are resisting the
: > >new realities that are enforced by Chiron. But to no avail, in
: > >my feeling and perception. In the end, they will yield and prefer
: > >it that way. Certainly their children will base their views on the
: > >realities in the sky the know, not so much on the feelings of past
: > >generations.
: > >
: > >That is why Aquarius is not liked. He manages to obtain majorities
: > >with the goal to improve the situation for the average person, but
: > >the ones who note his actions most are usually the ones who are
: > >the victims of his changes, who are faced with a large instrumented
: > >organization that forces them to do things they do not like.
: > >
: > >It is only in the aftermath that one notes the good sides, like
: > >that many people in the world live like only kings lived about
: > >1000 years ago: Almost constant temperature inside apartments,
: > >no matter how hot or cold it is outside; turn a knob and you
: > >get enough heat to cook; turn another knob and you get drinking
: > >water; and so on... Pleasant in the end, I guess, but I guess
: > >some people suffered on the way there...
: > >
: > >But, as in any piece of mythology, one cannot just focus onto just
: > >one opposite. The oppressive state and the revolutionary individual
: > >are both part of the theme (or of other themes, like e.g. Aries).
: > >
: > >* The Greek word *mythos* contains two nuances of meaning. In one sense,
: > >* *mythos* is a story. In another, more profound sense, it implies a
: > >* scheme or plan. It is this latter shading of the word which is most
: > >* relevant to both psychology and astrology, because the universality
: > >* of basic mythic motives reveals a groundplan or purposeful pattern of
: > >* development inherent in the human psyche as well as in the human body.
: > >
: > >-- Liz Greene in [6]
: > >
: > >Since opposites are part of the myth, it is not so easy to distinguish
: > >between opposite signs, either. In 2002, I proposed [7] to describe e.g.
: > >the inner mind of a Pisces as similar (at least in some respects) to
: > >the outer activities of a Virgo. Like this: Virgo tackles disorder in
: > >the outer world actively, starts to analyze and sort them. That way,
: > >a Virgo's head fills up quickly with a lot of details, so in effect the
: > >disorder in the real world diminishes, but at the same time there is
: > >more disorder in the head, in the inner world. Conversely, Pisces is
: > >much more reluctant to do something in the outside world, just letting
: > >things grow and be as they (the things) wish. That way maybe things
: > >get more disordered outside, but maybe only at first, but at least
: > >inside there is lots of clarity and an ability to react very quickly
: > >to suddenly appearing fundamental tasks, just because the essentials
: > >are always present, but nothing else.
: > >
: > >Of course, that is an oversimplified description, but the theme that
: > >inside and outside are reversed in many aspects for opposite signs is
: > >likely a sound proposition. And a useful one. Or maybe not? :)
: > >
: > >Let me shed some light onto a few more of my tools...
: > >
: > >Elementary Astrology: In 2002 I proposed a simpler model of the signs
: > >of the zodiac, an idea which I had incidentally when the sun was in
: > >Aquarius in 2001.
: > >
: > >* In this text here I will try to provide a somewhat simpler view
: > >* of the twelve star signs of the zodiac. Instead of using
: > >* different archetypal images for each star sign, I will only use
: > >* just a few archetypal images for the *elements*, i.e. archetypal
: > >* images for Fire, Earth, Air and Water. Then I will show how these
: > >* simple images already produce a lot of what we know about the
: > >* twelve signs of the zodiac and even allow to analyze why some
: > >* pieces of mythology fit so well with the twelve signs of the
: > >* zodiac. Moreover, these very basic archetypes for the elements
: > >* fit very well with how the philosopher Aristotle viewed the four
: > >* elements. But let me start going through the four elements one
: > >* after the other and explain things as I go along.
: > >
: > >-- Me in [8]
: > >
: > >An example says probably more: The fire signs are viewed in the model
: > >as a burning fire. First there is lots of wood (Earth), then the fire
: > >burns more strongly (Fire) and finally all goes up into smoke (Air).
: > >These phases are viewed in the model as Aries - Leo - Sagittarius.
: > >The element Earth is transformed by the element Fire to the element
: > >Air. In Aristotle's cycle of the elements, Earth (dry+cold) gets hot,
: > >becomes Fire (dry+hot) and then gets wet, becomes Air (wet+hot).
: > >
: > >Psychologically, there is a wound to the physical body (Earth) that
: > >is growing. That is the wound of the Grail's King (Leo) and the even
: > >deadly wound of Cheiron (Sagittarius, constellation of the archer is
: > >Cheiron or at least a centaur - side remark: that was not mentioned
: > >above when talking about Cheiron, unfortunately language is linear
: > >and not well suited to present a complex web of associations, and
: > >remember, this is just an exposition of some tools, of some ways of
: > >thinking about astrology and the world, not complete or even balanced
: > >system, not even an attempt into that direction - Lilith is in Sag.).
: > >
: > >Cheiron is immortal, which corresponds to the immortality of Air,
: > >of knowledge that can be written down and communicated to future
: > >generations, in contrast to the mortal body (Earth).
: > >
: > >* But the lion is a stage in a process, as Jung suggests; and it is
: > >* this process or pattern, which brings us into the sphere of the
: > >* fate of Leo. It would seem, from what I have seen in the life
: > >* histories of Leos with whom I have worked, that there is an
: > >* alchemical work to be performed. The lion is not permitted to
: > >* remain in its bestial form, but must give way to something other.
: > >
: > >-- Liz Greene in [9]
: > >
: > >The animal side (Earth) diminishes, while conscious awareness grows.
: > >There are many more examples how the simple model fits with many
: > >things that astrologers write about the signs, from very basic and
: > >maybe superficial things to the deeper psychological motivations.
: > >
: > >See also the introduction [8] from which I quoted above for a few
: > >more basic examples. And see [4] for some abstract approaches to
: > >Aries, Pisces-Aries and Air, based on the same model.
: > >
: > >Does maybe not fit in here fully, but besides looking at traditional
: > >meanings of houses and the corresponding signs, it seems to me that
: > >looking at the symbolism of the house *numbers* and the meaning of
: > >the words used for astrological houses gives an interesting, more
: > >fundamental view at houses, see also [4]. See also Heracles' tasks,
: > >like the one where he cleans a stable, task 5, by - but for that I
: > >need another model, just a second.
: > >
: > >That model is also part of [4], all emerged in posts to aat in 2004.
: > >
: > >1 - Fire - Sun - Conjunction
: > >2 - Air - Moon - Opposition
: > >3 - Water - Venus - Trine
: > >4 - Earth - Mars - Square
: > >5 - 5th Element - Mercury - Quintile
: > >6 - ... (see also cross-cultural links to the Chinese I Ching)
: > >
: > >In the 5th task, it is an idea (1-Fire) that allows to clean the
: > >stables in a very short time. Opening two gates at opposite sides
: > >of the stable (2-opposition-Air), then combining two rivers into
: > >one (2+1=3, Water), allows to wash out the dung (4-Earth) quickly
: > >and easily without getting one's hands dirty. Combined you get
: > >the 5th element, transformation of the elements.
: > >
: > >Now, this simple analytical view also reveals a similarity with
: > >the steam engine mentioned above, showing again, that telling
: > >apart opposing signs (here Aquarius-Leo) is not easy in practice,
: > >at least not for me... :)
: > >
: > >Back to the elementary model and applying it to Capricorn and to
: > >Aquarius:
: > >
: > >- Earth signs: Tree - needs sun/leaves/flowers/fruit (Fire) and
: > > its roots (Water) to live. For Taurus the sunny, but short lived
: > > beauty of flowers and leaves etc. is in the focus, while for
: > > Capricorn, the focus is on the roots, on the structures that
: > > keep the tree standing for many years. Virgo is in between, like
: > > each middle sign of its element always somewhat in a conflict,
: > > having difficulties to balance the elements, not sure whether
: > > to create beauty or order.
: > >
: > >- Air signs: Cloud - first lots of lightning in a thunder storm
: > > (Fire, Gemini), then starts to rain and in the end mostly just
: > > rain and no more lightning any more (Water, Aquarius).
: > >
: > >So interestingly, both Capricorn and Aquarius are at the end of
: > >a transition to Water, to feelings, harmony (Venus, trine, using
: > >the other model above).
: > >
: > >Bertold Brecht (Aquarius) wrote the following in [10]:
: > >
: > >* "Was tun Sie", wurde Herr K. gefragt, "wenn Sie einen Menschen lieben?"
: > >* "Ich mache einen Entwurf von ihm", sagte Herr K., "und sorge dass er
: > >* ihm aehlich wird." "Wer? Der Entwurf?" "Nein", sagte Herr K. "Der
: > >* Mensch."
: > >
: > >A bit difficult to translate directly because it uses an ambiguity
: > >in the German language that cannot be translated:
: > >
: > >* "What do you do", Mr. K. was asked, "if you love a person?"
: > >* I make a blueprint of him", said Mr. K., "and make sure that he/it
: > >* gets more similar to him/it." "Who/what? the blueprint?" "No" said
: > >* Mr. K., "the person"
: > >
: > >Control, driven by a feeling of universal love. If I am not mistaken
: > >the "Golden Age" was said to be ruled by Saturn.
: > >
: > >Willian Lilly linked Aquarius to "in Houses, the roofs", while he
: > >linked Capricorn to "in houses low, dark places, neer the ground
: > >or threshold", so closer to Earth, more directly shamanic, I guess.
: > >
: > >Aquarius is a fixed sign. The 20th century was not really like that.
: > >It could really be that the plutonian side of Aquarius showed more
: > >during that period and that things are already easing into a more
: > >steady flow now. Difficult to say for me whether the more shamanic
: > >traits of signs ruled by Saturn will show their influence already
: > >soon or maybe will have to wait another 2000 years to really unfold.
: > >I guess in 2000 years technology will have progressed so far that
: > >individual local communities will be able to operate self-contained
: > >again, a factory to produce goods might be quite small by then
: > >(I am thinking maybe assembling things atom by atom or so). But
: > >predicting technology in 2000 years is extremely difficult.
: > >
: > >Anyway, in one way I presume the Age of Aquarius will likely be a
: > >bit boring too, like life in the USA,
: >
: > [Reply removed at the express wish of the original poster;
: > click here for the original reply as archived at Google.]
: >
: > > which I view in many respects
: > >as an egg that hatches the Age of Aquarius - Cancer shell to protect
: > >it (sun), with a subliminal drive to spread its seed across the world
: > >(moon in Aquarius). Again, these are just fragments, no claims of
: > >balance or completeness or whatever - but good tools, I hope :)
: > >
: > >The Hegira had the n. node in early Leo, which spread to Spain in a
: > >time when there was islamic influence to it. Also Great Britain has
: > >this axis emphasized, just look at a british passport with a lion
: > >and a unicorn (Leo-Aquarius). These countries sailed further west,
: > >and so the same axis is also strong in Britain's former colonies,
: > >with differing emphasis each, I presume.
: > >
: > >I remember a report from Sydney, Australia, where two immigrants said
: > >that people were more often outside there, for barbecues etc., closer
: > >to nature than most people in Europe or the USA.
: > >
: > >Allow me to get back to a few of my things (Switzerland, my home country
: > >also has the n. node in Leo, if you take the old 1291 founding date).
: > >
: > >It was a love story that lead me to astrology and into the public.
: > >In that sense, one of the reasons that my public contributions have
: > >remained fragmentary are also related to this. Circling the castle.
: > >
: > >I am depositing these "side effects" here and now, with this post,
: > >besides what already survived in fragments, as sort of a lead in for
: > >more or less contemporary astrologers or for whoever might be
: > >interested in them...
: > >
: > >Maybe I should also point out this usenet post [11] in which I propose
: > >to use usenet posts (or to other places) as data for proving astrology:
: > >
: > >* Fortunately, groups.google.com has collected a
: > >* large part of all usenet posts, as a harvest
: > >* that is now ready to be analyzed and sorted,
: > >* in my opinion, best using astrology:
: > >*
: > >* Detach from the idea of real people and redefine
: > >* people as screen names. Then you get a "birth",
: > >* namely the first post under that screen name, and
: > >* you get events in that "life", that you can then
: > >* analyze in terms of transits to the birth time,
: > >* of the current time, of birth time and transits
: > >* of the group the posts take place, etc.
: > >*
: > >* (Note that this is maybe not as different as in
: > >* real life: A birth chart gives away a lot of
: > >* information about a real person, but looking at
: > >* charts of parents, ancestors, home town, etc. and
: > >* looking at names etc. almost always broadens the
: > >* frame in interesting ways).
: > >*
: > >* So you get to the second data for billions of
: > >* events that happened to millions of people "in the
: > >* matrix", and most of it is not even real content -
: > >* which would be very difficult to analyze - but
: > >* instead is often fights without much real content,
: > >* or misunderstanding because people do not see
: > >* each other in use
: > >
: > >Definitely not a piece of cake to do in reality, but the technology
: > >would already be there in many respects (people working at Google,
: > >etc.). In my feeling and thinking, you can't convince unless you
: > >have an overwhelming amount of data and more than expected fits.
: > >
: > >Anyway, another tool that might be put to use sometime.
: > >
: > >Of course, the notion of a tool and posting as Hermes hints at Pluto
: > >in Virgo in my chart, and building up on things proposed by people
: > >with Pluto in Leo. But Virgo is quite an obstinate sign in a way,
: > >like - in similar ways - all mutable signs. They have to be more
: > >obstinate than the fixed signs in order to let what the fixed signs
: > >pursued and focussed on run out gently and prepare the ground for
: > >new things to emerge.
: > >
: > >On the other hand, I notice a decline in my abilities to do really
: > >fundamental analysis since it became clear that Pluto is no longer
: > >a planet. I still have Uranus conjunct Pluto (* 7 Aug 1966 at 04:12
: > >in the morning in Zurich, Switzerland), but it is clearly weaker in
: > >effect in my feeling than it was before. Also a reason to leave
: > >things as is, I guess.
: > >
: > >A similar weakening has also become apparent globally by the escape
: > >of Natascha Kampusch just after Pluto had been demoted and I
: > >guess it will continue to some degree. As recent reclassifications
: > >have shown, being first in science is also valued similarly as in
: > >astrology (where the first thing, the first moment defines the rest),
: > >namely Pluto has now given his name to a large group of objects, so
: > >some of Pluto's power will be preserved, but in my feeling the
: > >absoluteness is gone - depth has remained to quite some degree, but
: > >you cannot take away "a little absoluteness" and still remain
: > >absolute, that is by definition of "absolute" not possible.
: > >
: > >* Natascha Kampusch (born 17 February 1988 in Vienna) is an Austrian who
: > >* was abducted at the age of 10 on 2 March 1998, and remained in custody
: > >* of her kidnapper, Wolfgang Priklopil, for more than eight years, until
: > >* she escaped on 23 August 2006.
: > >
: > >-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natascha_Kampusch
: > >
: > >In the spring of 2004 I had a different kind of idea. I posted it
: > >to alt.astrology.tropical (post already removed, nobody replied).
: > >In it I present an idea that links the existence of 4+1 elements
: > >to the immediate experience of space and time. A quite timeless
: > >thing, not bound to technology, ages, astrology etc. and also in
: > >harmony with contemporary science and also with e.g. the I Ching.
: > >
: > >That alone is (in my personal opinion) worth more than all the rest
: > >that I wrote about here. As a physicist, I am interested in nature,
: > >not so much in immediate culture.
: > >
: > >That's it, once and for all. See this post [12] for a link to my web
: > >site and my opinion about whether to provide any future support.
: > >
: > >Note that (without consciously planning to) that post turned out to
: > >be exactly 42 lines long (without the headers)... ;)
: > >
: > >)o+
: > >
: > >PS: Wrote this in one flow 16 August 2008, just done now, and the moon
: > >is currently at 19*42' Aquarius, time for a quick review and then out
: > >with it (nearer Neptune, I guess), once and for all, I guess. :)
: > >
: > >[1] Liz Greene. Happy Birthday, Astrodienst - A look at the company's
: > > birth chart. 2003. http://www.astro.com/people/chart_e.htm
: > >[2] Ephemeris for 2008 at Astrodienst.
: > > http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2008.pdf
: > >[3] Me. Moon Nodes as Gates. Usenet post. 2003. Archived at
: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20050221190937/exactphilosophy.net/selection/s228.html
: > >[4] Me. "Book of Changes". Series of usenet posts. 2004. Archived at
: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20050205022800/exactphilosophy.net/book/
: > >[5] Robert Graves. The Greek Myths. 1960. 81k.
: > >[6] Liz Greene. The Astrology of Fate. Samuel Weiser. 1984. p166.
: > >[7] Me. Axes and Opposites. Usenet post. 2002. Archived at
: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20050216230010/exactphilosophy.net/selection/s095.html
: > >[8] Me. Archetypes for the Elements and the Zodiac. Usenet post. 2002.
: > > Archived at http://web.archive.org/web/20050215194330/exactphilosophy.net/selection/s075.html
: > >[9] Liz Greene. The Astrology of Fate. Samuel Weiser. 1984. p205+206.
: > >[10] Bertold Brecht. Geschichten vom Herrn Keuner. 1930s.
: > >[11] Me. Usenet and Experiment. Usenet post. 2003. Archived at
: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20050222091126/exactphilosophy.net/selection/s246.html
: > >[12] Me. Usenet post with a link to my web site exactphilosophy.net. 2008.
: > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astrology.tropical/msg/1382338c74bc0867?dmode=source
: > >[13] Me. Unconscious Communication and Astrology (see also original documents at
: > > my web site). 2008 (2002)). Quoted by Apollia and I.R.Heller (thx!):
: > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astrology.moderated/msg/2659729d71e120c7
: > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astrology.tropical/msg/ce4ee614eeaea3bc
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Something different...
Long-range Feelings
...and their relation to astrology and other things...
[Gedankenexperiment, written end of October 2008]
Contemporary science draws a rather nonintuitive picture of what feelings
are: Electrochemical reactions in the brain, stimulated by external
influences like vision, sound, smell, etc. and by internal processes. Thus
if you cut all possible external influences, say, walk out of the room,
close you eyes, cover your ears and stop breathing for a few seconds, then
any remaining feeling of being in love or feeling someone will be just a
lonely illusion of your own brain - according to current science,
that is.
Everyday language suggests a radically different picture. "Feeling someone"
implicitly suggests an actual connection, as does the notion of an
"emotional bond". Are such expressions just relicts from more superstitious
past times or is there more to it ? How far do feelings reach ?
Let me tackle this question in a somewhat unusual way, namely by assuming
that there actually are long-range feelings between people and letting the
idea evolve. A bit more specifically, assume that brains could communicate
telepathically even across large distances. Such connections would have to
be unconscious, but could still influence people's feelings and thus
indirectly their actions.
After evolving the idea, there will be enough opportunity to review it with
gradually more critical eyes. Quite astonishingly, many of the predicted
phenomena might still exist even if in the end it turns out there are no
such spooky telepathic connections. But first things first...
evolution
Freedom Decisions usually depend on various factors. One factor is reality.
In a restaurant people typically order things from the menu. Another common
factor is logic. If the weather report forecasts rain for the afternoon,
you will probably go to work with a coat or an umbrella in the morning,
even if it is a bright, sunny morning.
But often also how one feels about a decision can be crucial. With
unconscious telepathic connections, feelings could even take facts into
account that you are not consciously aware of. Say, you are about to buy a
house and the price looks right, but you still feel uneasy about it. Then
maybe a good friend of your most significant other knows a guy who did some
repairs in the house and noticed some veiled damage. This and other facts
could have been transmitted unconsciously to your brain and might now make
you feel uneasy.
In such a world, everybody would still be fundamentally free, but how good
one feels would depend quite significantly on whether one's actions were in
harmony with what others wish. Close people like family and good friends
would likely have more influence, but also general opinions shared by lots
of people in a country would most likely have noticeable impact in everyday
life.
Telepathy It would not be possible to read someone's mind or to communicate
directly at a distance just by thinking. But some indirect hints might pop
up here and there, like two people having the same idea at the same time,
or two very good friends or lovers having the feeling of understanding each
other without much talk.
Collective Unconscious Similar to the billions of nerve cells that form the
human brain, all these connected brains could be considered to form a
meta-brain. Not unlikely this brain could have a consciousness on its own,
with its own feelings and intentions. Since it would consist of so many
brain cells, it could potentially even be much more complex and intelligent
than any individual brain.
Jung's term collective unconscious would fit some aspects of this entity:
Its workings would be unconscious to individual, conscious minds, and it
would be able to store collective knowledge, explaining, for example, why
there are some universal mythological/symbolical themes that recur in
dreams and in art, etc., even when the involved people do not consciously
know these themes.
In that sense, dreams might be more related to collective thinking than
conscious, individual thoughts. Also apparent occurrences of precognition
in dreams could be explained that way, since the collective unconscious
would have broader knowledge and concrete intentions what to do the next
day or days. In other words, dreams would reveal collective plans or
intentions, but would not actually be a precognition of the future in the
sense of physics.
Instead of a uniform collective unconscious, it would probably be more
realistic to assume that there are different entities at different scales,
like family, village, country, but also non-geographic interest groups like
football fans or musicians or communist stamp collectors. Such entities
could again have intentions and feelings on their own and might also be in
conflict with other entities.
In the case of religions, one might wonder to what degree such potentially
existing "superior beings" might be the same as the respective god or gods.
That would likely be the view of atheists and agnostics. Most religions
would probably stress that new science never answers fundamental questions
and that god or the gods created the world such that people can feel and
support each other, and that that is a good thing - which it probably
objectively would be, at least most of the time. In any case, religious
people would have to be very careful in practice not to confound collective
emotional feedback from their fellow believers with the actual will of
their god or gods.
Astrology To most scientists astrology is like a red rag to a bull. Take
the twelve star signs of the zodiac. How to group the stars on the ecliptic
is a cultural choice, different for example in China than in Europe. The
western constellations Aries, Taurus, etc. all have different sizes, only
very roughly representing 1/12 of the zodiac each, as assumed in astrology.
On top of that, due to the precession of the earth's axis, star signs and
constellations practically do not overlap at all any more since quite some
time.
But all of this has nothing to do with what astrologers do and observe: You
take a birth date and time and place and calculate a chart from it, a
drawing with a few lines and symbols. And then you compare what these lines
and symbols mean with how people feel and act down on earth. No actual
planets or stars involved at all in that process, except as a wish on the
side of astrologers and as accurate calculations of planetary positions.
So what if astrology worked to some degree because unconsciously and
collectively, people still believe in it ? People would still be free what
to decide consciously, but feedback from the collective unconscious would
emotionally reward decisions in accordance with astrology.
What sense could it possibly make to hang on to such an apparently archaic
and outdated symbolic system ? Actually, from a collective point of view,
astrology might be quite useful. For example, different sun signs are
associated with different ways of approaching an issue. One sign might just
try without much consideration, others might stop and think first, maybe
ask someone or even read a book, and so on. That would generally ensure
that for all problems, all different approaches would be tried with similar
frequency.
To the collective unconscious, individual people might be like ants to us,
not able to actually see the path they are walking on, only guided to stay
on it by the chemical track laid out on it. Similarly, it cannot be
expected of people to see the best solution for any problem at hand, except
for relatively simple ones. So it would be more efficient just to have
several people try and the one with the right bias succeed at it. That is
essentially a process of natural selection in the sense of Darwin, and also
astrology itself may have outlived several similar systems.
For example, star signs are also correlated quite heavily with typical
actions of farmers on the western hemisphere. Virgo at the end of summer
likes to sort things out and stack them in, like a harvest, while Libra in
early autumn prefers to trade and balance things, like needed for a
balanced stock to survive the winter.
Different cultures have different astrologies and also within astrology
there are different schools, so that there would be several superimposing
influences in practice. Formally testing whether such complex correlations
actually exist would be very difficult.
Anima Mundi If human brains are connected, so would be brains of animals,
at least within their species, but possibly also across species. If so,
then evolution might even contain some elements of purpose, added to the
known mechanism of random mutation plus natural selection. It would be the
natural selection part that could be improved, for example by protecting an
individual animal with a useful mutation from harm by guiding it towards a
safe area with lots of food, providing a mate, and so on.
Such effects would be even stronger if connections were not bound to
brains, but instead a general property of living matter. But let me take
things a step further: What if such connections were a natural property of
all matter ?
That would be the very old idea of a living world, Plato's world soul or
anima mundi. In terms of modern scientific concepts, maybe quantum
mechanics would fit best here. The following interpretation is a bit far
fetched, but also not in direct disagreement with experimental evidence.
Virtual particles could exchange information about quantum mechanical
correlations behind the scenes, i.e. unconsciously, while real particles
would correspond to observed, i.e. conscious, reality. Real particles are
bound by the speed of light, while virtual particles are not. So this would
fit with quantum mechanical entanglement not being bound by the speed of
light, and, as a consequence of special relativity, virtual particles would
connect the future back to the past. Causality would be preserved in all
observable phenomena, while behind the scenes everything would be connected
to everything, both in space and time, but more weakly with increasing
distance in space and time.
If so, collective intentions could also influence the random mutation part
of evolution. And also divination systems like Tarot cards or the Chinese I
Ching could work via collective influence on the outcome of quantum
mechanical measurements.
review
Simplicity Is it necessary to postulate telepathic connections ? Which
phenomena could already be explained using current physics ?
Information could be exchanged subliminally in normal conversations, using
intonation, gestures, and so on. More collective messages could be
distributed via mass media. In between such exchanges, each person's brain
could maintain a model of what it thinks that other people would feel and
think about a particular decision. Using a term from technology, this would
be a store-and-forward network.
That would apparently be consistent with all proposed effects, except the
ones near the end, where a direct influence of mind over matter in the
sense of being able to influence the outcome of measurements in quantum
mechanics would be required.
Experiment How could one tell the different models apart ? How could one
test experimentally whether the proposed effects really exist ?
This might be very difficult, if collective intentions work against the
experimenters. For example, suppose you take a couple of lovers and isolate
them from each other (with their consent, of course) in two labs in the
desert on two separate continents. Then you measure activities in their
brains while, say, one of them eats something spicy and then look for
correlations. To reduce external influences, experimenters would not be
physically present. However, if there really are long-range connections,
collective influences from the rest of the population could skew results a
lot, possibly even destroying the effects whenever an experiment takes
place.
Basically, the proposed effects violate two premises that are usually
assumed to hold in scientific experiments. The first premise is that
effects can be studied in a lab in isolation. This is not possible if the
effects postulate that isolation is not possible. The second premise is
that nature is assumed to be pretty stupid. If you ask nature the same
question twice, you expect it to repeat the same answer. You do not expect
nature to learn or even to trick you out, like a kid playing with ants by
letting them walk onto leaves and then moving them around as you like.
So, unless maybe someone develops a concrete extension of quantum field
theory that would involve long-range interactions and would predict
different phenomena in certain regimes, direct approaches to the effects
seem very difficult. This would be consistent with the fact that all such
attempts have failed to date.
Indirection Maybe a less direct approach would be more fruitful here, one
that would try to correlate the principles by which the collective
unconscious might operate, like astrology, with observed reality.
Such an attempt would also be quite difficult because there are no simple
formal descriptions of astrology, instead there is a huge amount of prose
literature. The path to becoming a good astrologer is rather informal,
besides learning from books, actually comparing birth charts with real
people is a key ingredient. Historian and astrologer Robert Hand has
compared astrology to a craft, which reminds me of chemistry in the not so
distant past.
If you look at chemistry from a phenomenological point of view, it is very
complex. The substances that react with each other and the resulting
substances can have completely different properties. Nonetheless has
chemistry become an exact science, understood from the ground up.
Isolated experiments regarding astrology would very probably show no
effect, because the collective unconscious might have directed the
experimenters there. And, indeed, this would be consistent with results so
far. A much broader approach, based on lots of data and a simple model that
makes an exponential amount of concrete predictions would have much better
chances to reveal correlations.
Instead of collecting lots of birth and event data from real people, it
might pragmatically be much more efficient to tap into the already
digitized world of the internet. For example, the date a web site was
registered or the moment a usenet post was first made under a given screen
name could be taken as birth data for the respective entities.
Especially usenet and similar forums would provide lots of timed events in
such virtual lives that could be compared with what a particular
astrological model would predict. Since online conversations have a
tendency to be somewhat repetitive and stereotypical, this might even make
analysis easier. Search engine technology and experience might be very
useful for such a scientific adventure.
leads
Just a few of my personal favorites...
- It has often been proposed that quantum mechanical coherence and life
and/or consciousness might be related.
At least in non-living macroscopic matter, such correlations are expected
to decay almost immediately, in any piece of macroscopic matter around or
above room temperature. This relatively new result is from the research
field of decoherence, which is actually merely a new application of the
laws of quantum mechanics and as such part of it. See, for example, the
review article by Max Tegmark and John A.~Wheeler in the February 2001
issue of the Scientific American or just click here for a preprint.
But what if coherence was exactly a main property of living matter as
opposed to dead or non-living matter ? It has been observed that biological
tissues emmit a small amount of (coherent?) light, so called biophotons. The
number of emitted photons is very small, but might still be relevant.
Maybe entangled quantum states could be created and stored when people meet
and then allow to keep their thoughts and feelings correlated, even when
they are apart ?
- It should be noted that decoherence cannot solve the measurement problem,
even though it is an important step into that direction. Click here for a
usenet post by me of January 2003 to sci.physics.research, in which I make
this tangible in form of a Gedankenexperiment that combines EPR with
Schrödinger's Cats and Wigner's Friends.
- In my original publication of June 2002, which can be found in the
archive, I proposed somewhat more specific long-range connections with spin
1 polarisation, based on past personal experiences, and also a related
Gedankenexperiment involving "selective sensing" of virtual photons,
inspired by the total solar eclipse of August 1999. Still my best guess.
- ...
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Something different...
web2009.zip
My site as it was up briefly in autumn 2008, with also a more
elaborate (or at least somewhat more precise) version of the
above Gedakenexperiment:
web2009.zip
Links
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